Ep. 44. Internal Motivation Versus External Motivation In Fitness And Life

Ep. 44. Intrinsic Motivation Vs. Extrinsic Motivation In Fitness And Life

We break down why external motivation fades and why intrinsic motivation is what holds up when pressure hits. We share our own fitness and life stories to show how identity, belief, and relationships shape the way we actually change. 

• defining intrinsic versus extrinsic motivation through faith, family, fitness, business, and leadership 
• Nick’s CrossFit origin story driven by performance and personal growth 
• the difference between chasing aesthetics and building capability 
• Braxton’s offensive line weight journey and the insides-versus-outsides battle 
• why external rewards stop working and what pressure reveals 
• the 100 day consistency challenge and why accountability changes outcomes 
• how belief and identity unlock action 
• social media as a tool for inspiration or empty consumption 
• using vulnerability, prayer, and support to navigate hard seasons 
• repairing relationships by owning mistakes quickly and directly 

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Transcript

Stop Chasing Quick External Fixes

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Whereas I think a lot of times we make external adjustments, right? Like, oh well, but if I just do this, then I'll change. And truthfully, I'm like, you're already perfect how you are. It's a matter of like, but but where are you trying to go? And if you align yourself properly, you'll get somewhere really close.

Defining Intrinsic Versus Extrinsic Motivation

SPEAKER_01 0:41

Welcome to the Rise and Travis Podcast. I am Nick Yuranka with Braxton Cave, and today we are going to talk about intrinsic versus extrinsic motivation, say?

SPEAKER_00 0:52

Trap. That's internal versus external for those that uh Well, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:00

Like, what did he just say? Yeah, well, I'm trying to act smart. I probably didn't even pronounce them correctly. But yes, internal versus external.

SPEAKER_00 1:09

Yeah, no, I think we we look at there's so many things in our life where the the way we feel or perceive something internally can oftentimes be completely different from the external side of the way that people see it. And I think whether you're talking about your faith, you know, we're gonna talk about our pillars, right? Our faith, family, fitness, business, and leadership, like the internal battles and the internal actions and disciplines uh oftentimes can be very different than what is externally seen, or the motivations behind them. And I think you and I, you know, have had this conversation quite a bit lately just around social media and you know your CrossFit journey and you know, like the why. Why did Nick start doing CrossFit? You know, some people would say it's well, it's because you wanted to look a certain way or you wanted the accolades or the rewards, but deep down, I'm not letting you tell your own story of like that was never the reason why. Or people see CrossFit now and the the sponsorships and the money that comes along with it. When you started, what'd you say? What was the prize for winning? The winner got $2,500. The winner, right? Like so let's let's just back up and start there of like why why did you start CrossFit? Like, what was the motivation?

SPEAKER_01 2:38

So I even think go a little bit closer to kind of peel back where you originally were saying, talking about our pill pillars and this internal versus external. And I think as kids, right, where you chase a trophy. You know, you go to church because you have to. So you walk in looking the part, but inside you're like, I don't know why I'm here. You go and you go and chase the trophy, and you're like, but if I lose, who am I then? And you know, you're with your family and you're like, no, we act this way, we say these things, and you're like, Well, but I don't want to, right? So we have this constant fight of like, who am I inside versus who who does the world expect me to be? So I think another way of looking at it is like, where what does the world expect of us? But yet who are we really expected to be by from God?

Nick’s CrossFit Why And Performance

SPEAKER_01 3:26

Like, how were we made? So for me, I I wouldn't say I learned this, but ultimately I just when I found CrossFit, it was at this point of football was done. I was trying to find, I always said, I need an outlet, I need something to compete in or chase. And like everybody else, I thought there were limited options of that, you know, running a 5K or a marathon or an Iron Man or a triathlon. It was always endurance. And then you can go to the gym and you're like, oh, but when you went into the gym, it was external. It was like, well, here's how you look. But to me, like an Iron Man was an internal battle. This, like, oh, you've got to complete this. You've got there wasn't really much accolades. You got a what a little not even a trophy, but it just you they put a thing around your neck, everybody got it, right? Everybody got the medal, didn't matter how you did. So it was just you versus you. And I was like, oh, that's what it was. And when I found CrossFit, it was basically my friend just telling me, You're not a runner, you're this. And when I found it, it was more of like, wow, this switch flipped of like, this exists, like it exists that I can just try to see how great I can be in anything. Like, I thought it was I was very, you know, rigid in what I could do, and this opened up this Pandora's box of like there's no limit. So that's why I did it. I was like, I'm all in on trying to find what I can become inside of this. And there happened to be a competition called the CrossFit Games that this was 2009. 2007 was the first ever CrossFit Games, and it was basically a hey, show up, let's see who wins and drink some beer. That was it. The second year they actually had a little bit of qualifying, 2008, but it was still similar. Come drink, grill out, hang out with fit people. And then I found it, and it was like this thing is like, you get to do this, like this is like guys and girls just like crushing it. Let's go. And I remember I looked and it was like the winner gets $2,500, and I was like, dude, that's pretty sick. Like, you get paid to do this? It was like, well, only if you win. I think second place was a thousand and third place was $500. But I'm like, to get paid to do something that I would do for free, pretty sick. That's how I thought about it. It had nothing to do, there was never anything about money. There was no, it was purely internal. There was no, I didn't care what I looked like. And it let me preface that with saying I didn't look bad. I never cared what I looked like. It was always about performance. It was always what can I achieve? What can I do? Um, and that was just the effect of training.

SPEAKER_00 6:13

And I think it's uh like your story is uncommon in terms of like because aesthetics is a big deal for a lot of people, most people. But it was that was never a driving factor for you because you are always you were always you always had like an in-shape, you know, um, you know, aesthetic. Yeah. And so it I don't want to c I don't want to make it sound so simple, but it that was already like a checked box for you that you never had to think about that. So it was like that wasn't a driving force.

SPEAKER_01 6:41

No, and and so aesthetics never mattered in the sense of I didn't train to look a certain way, but I will tell you, like being 16 with my shirt off, walking by a car, I would flex to see if I had abs. You know, like I remember doing that. I still do that. I I remember I remember being 19, um, 19, I'm in our dorm and like I'm walking by mirror with my shirt off, and I realized like I don't even have the any resemblance of an ab, let alone like two. Like it was just like I had a belly, and I remember I was like, dang, I've I put on quite a bit of weight. I should probably change how I'm eating. I didn't think, hey, I should train more, hey, I should do this, hey, I should count my macros, hey, I should do this. I looked back and I was like, ah, you've been eating like crap. You should probably not do that. Like, yeah, you're in college and like, yeah, there's the freshman 20 or 15 or whatever. Um, I'm just not gonna eat like crap anymore. And I just went there. So I I would look at myself and say, Hey, you're not the person that you know you should be. So you should just probably make some adjustments. Whereas I think a lot of times we make external adjustments, right? Like, oh well, but if I just do this, then I'll change. And truthfully, I'm like, you're already perfect how you are. It's a matter of like, but but where are you trying to go? And if you align yourself properly, you'll get somewhere really close. So it I learned really quickly, and I think that's why like it's easy for me to always say performance over aesthetics, because I never cared how I looked because I understood that that was a byproduct of all aspects of my life.

Braxton’s Weight Battle And Identity

SPEAKER_00 8:28

Yeah, and for me, my journey was like completely opposite of that, right? Being, I mean, from my freshman year of high school, I was 220 pounds. And by the time I graduated high school, by the time I graduated high school, I was 300. And, you know, so I knew that I had to be big because of the sport I played and the sport I loved, and if I wanted to be the best I could be at it, that was the path to get there. But it was an internal battle every day for me because in my head I wanted to look a certain way. I wanted to look a certain way, but I knew I had to be a certain size and a certain weight, and you know, and being strong, and so and then growing up in a house with a dad who was a bodybuilder, like I dreamed of the day to have abs and to be lean. And so I I constantly fought this battle inside me of like how I wanted to look versus who I knew I needed to be to you know take my career or my journey as far as I possibly could. So it was like a a never-ending battle.

SPEAKER_01 9:43

In our house, we say, and this is kind of reminds me of that, is like, do your insides match your outsides? And that's what you're basically saying is like no.

SPEAKER_00 9:50

Yeah, for a long time. For a long and and it, and again, it was it's not because I didn't want that, it was like I had no choice unless I didn't want to take my career as far as I could, or my hopes. You should have been a receiver, yeah. I meet people now and they're like, you know, I tell them, you know, I used to play offensive line 100 pounds ago, and they're like, oh my gosh, like I thought you were maybe like a tight end or a linebacker, and I'm like, pfft, no, like if you would have seen me back in the day, you'd be like, oh, okay, I get it.

SPEAKER_01 10:26

So what so what would you say then when football is over and you get to now live inside? What was the motivation? Like what drove you then?

SPEAKER_00 10:36

I mean, so it was there was a lot. I mean, it was at the core, again, it was being able to finally fulfill and live that dream of having a lean aesthetic look. It was knowing what I was capable of given genetics and the way my dad looked. And and then it was so I would say at first it was very external. Like there was a certain way I wanted to look. Um, I would say the internal piece was like the self-confidence. Like I would when you're an offensive lineman and you know you go to the pool, you go wherever, like you have an excuse to look the way you look, right? It's like badge of honor. You want to be big and strong and like not be sloppy, right? But like at the end of the day, like it's nothing great to look at. And so I would say the the external side of it was like I wanted to I internally I wanted to feel proud of the way I looked, um, but externally I wanted people to notice that too. And but that only lasts so long, right? Because then I think it ultimately it shifted to like the way I perceive myself and the way I show up and the confidence that I have is way more important than the way that people perceive me. And uh I would say then you start having kids, and the mind my mindset shifted to what does longevity look like? And how do I show up as my best self for them for as long as I possibly can? And that's to even to this day, like what gets me out of bed every day to go and train is it's not because I want to look a certain way for other people, it's because I want to look and feel a certain way and have the confidence to be able to show up for my kids and my wife for as long as I possibly can.

Belief, 100 Days, And Accountability

SPEAKER_01 12:36

I think you said something when you were talking about your dad, that you saw essentially you saw that you could be different. And I think a lot of times that belief is something that we lack because we you used it, you I think you used it as a positive. I don't know if people caught it. When you said genetics, you were speaking about your dad. Like I see that genetically I can be different. Yeah. So that gave you a belief that when you were done, it was like kind of like we've talked about it on here. You know, you're not like, oh, one day I want to be a runner. You're just like, no, I I'm a runner. Like that's that's part of my identity, that's part of who I am, like that's what I do. And like you probably would have said is like, no, I can be like that too. And I think a lot of times we struggle, and I struggle in many areas. Fitness is not one of those. Let's be clear. Um, but we struggle in that belief factor of like, but I can. And if we don't believe it, we'll never actually put forth the action to to achieve that.

SPEAKER_02 13:36

Right.

SPEAKER_01 13:37

So you believing in it allows you to say, no, no, no, no, I'm gonna lose 100 pounds. And I think you you've said that pretty publicly, like that was your goal, yeah, was to be down a hundred pounds. So I think that that's awesome. And I think a lot of times we just need to see somebody that we can say, hey, they're not much different than me and look what they've done. And that's not hard to find, it just might not be that you find that person in proximity. And that's what that is a cool thing. I know you had talked about social media slightly because that could be a negative thing, but it's also positive. Like you can find somebody easily online that's lost a hundred pounds and looks awesome, who can say, but my family was overweight, so like that's not an excuse for you. Whereas yours was reverse. It was like your family was in shape and you were the the odd man out compared to your dad.

SPEAKER_00 14:23

Right. Yeah, and I think one of the one of the most important things to touch on in this is like the the external motivations, like all that stuff fades over time. I think we've all experienced that. What I think it's important to understand is whatever it is internal, when pressure is applied, is what it what shows up external. And you can put on the front and do all these things, you know, make make things look pretty. But when you truly get squeezed and in a position under pressure, what's truly in there is what comes out. And I think that's that's where you really find out who who people are and what what truly motivates them. I think it's no different than why we see so many people quit New Year's resolutions, right? I think like we talked about this months ago when it was around that season, but it was like the most people quit within the first like 10 days or something like that. And I think that ties back to what was the original motivation, and if it's purely just an aesthetic thing, it takes too long to stick with it. 100%. I mean, when I started, when I really started my journey, it took I feel like it took a good hundred days before I started to really notice a change.

SPEAKER_01 15:46

And you're the last one that notices, right?

SPEAKER_00 15:48

And when's the last time for those listening that you did something consistent for a hundred days intentionally, right, to improve yourself, a hundred days. Most people probably say never. Yeah, well, it's 21 days to build a habit. No, it's not. No, it's not.

SPEAKER_01 16:09

No. So that there's a saying, it's Tony Robbins. Um, and it's like, how long does change take? And change happens instantaneously when the pain of not changing is bigger than the pain of change.

SPEAKER_00 16:25

Right.

SPEAKER_01 16:25

So that's why a lot of people like a good example would be you know somebody that smokes and then they get lung cancer and they quit the next day. And like, but they couldn't quit for 10 years. Or when working out, all of a sudden they look at themselves in the mirror and they finally are like sick to their stomach. Or they have a child and they realize, like, holy cow. And it happens like that. Yeah. And I think in order for that pain, you it has to be an internal thing. It can't just be like, well, it would be really cool to look much better. And it's like, yeah, it would be really cool to look much better. But that doesn't mean that you're gonna work to do it, but to have that, and it's a hard thing to say, but because I but we all carry it is that pain, right? The we can call it judgment on ourselves, we can call it you know, just being hard on ourselves, but we do it alone. Now imagine you're the person who you just said in a hundred days you've never done anything really hard to to put yourself in a pot like in a better position than where you are right now. Imagine if you told five people I'm gonna do this for a hundred days, hold me accountable, and how can I hold you accountable to do something for a hundred days too? Uh are you more or less likely to complete that? Yeah, and we were talking about this earlier, where we don't ask for help, and we don't, we're not vulnerable enough because we think it's weak as men. And what I would do is challenge you to be like, like, listen to us. Like, yeah, there's positive things, but like we both struggle. And that doesn't make us weak. What I will say is we have people around us that will lift us up in that struggle, and that we can lift up in theirs. And I think internally, when you can allow that to show up externally in your good and bad and become better for it, that's what we're really talking about. Is like we all have desires inside of us that we're scared to show. So instead, we try to perform for the world, and we've all known that that performance always fails.

What Pressure Reveals About Your Why

SPEAKER_01 18:35

I mean, when I competed, the craziest, the craziest thing I have when I've finally won the CrossFit Games in 2019, I walked off the floor to my wife mad at me for not winning. And I've told this story for not winning the final event. And I remember being like, but I won. And she's like, Are you even sure? And I was like, I thought so until right now. To know that like I won walking off, and that that was like the amount of pressure and the amount, like so many things, and that's not a knock on her. Um, that was her wanting me to do what I've always said I wanted to do, which that ends with a win in a in for sure, like what the heck? Like, I a lot of emotions. When I finally stood up on the podium, it was like that's it, and you hear that from everybody. Yeah, that's why why do you think Tom Brady won seven Super Bowls?

SPEAKER_00 19:35

Because seven wasn't enough.

SPEAKER_01 19:36

Like he won eight, like and went into retirement, came out of retirement, and yeah, it's yeah, like it's not because and I will guarantee, and we've talked about this, like the stories that we tell are not about standing on the top on top of the mountain. Stories you talk about when we slid down and still got back up and what that was like.

SPEAKER_00 19:56

Yeah. I mean, you see it all the time on social media, like people talk about who I became during the journey versus like once I reached what I was going for. Like, I'm way more interested in that change versus once you reach it. Cause any high achiever, all you do is move the bar again. And you know, I I let me I I want to tell a quick story

Vulnerability, Prayer, And Support Systems

SPEAKER_00 20:24

here. Um, because you had mentioned like we say this all the time, but we're not perfect and we struggle with things, and and I've had you know, this has been a really tough season for me personally, you know. From I would say December through like the first few months of the year. I I my wife, we were talking about this, we think part of it was this was the worst winter ever. And we were all just in a bad place that live in the Midwest. If you're listening to this in the Midwest, you know exactly what I'm talking about. Um, but she had we we went we had date night last night, and we were talking about you know, one of the things that that she said to me was like we need to make sure that we continue to communicate and stay on the same page and work as a team, like we work as a great team, but she's like, I don't want to see you go back to where you were those first few months of the year. And and became she put posed it in a way of like, I want you to be able to talk to me and so that I can help you and work through those things together. And my comment back to her was like it was something that I needed to work through and figure out, and the the way I posed it to her was like, you know, a lot of women struggle with like postpartum depression, right? My wife struggled after our last um child, like there was a season of like you know, she was constantly down and working through that. And and I'm like, I could have talked to you, you could have talked to me, but there was really nothing I could have done to really. Help you get through that. That was something that you had to navigate, and I was there to support you, but like it's your own battle. I said it was that was no different for me. Um, what's cool about the season that we're in right now is like there's still things that I struggle with. Um, we we just had a deep conversation the other night, and this is just show you like how cool my wife is. You know, we talked through it, and then and she just like stopped the conversation and was like, we just need to pray about this right now. And she grabbed my hand and prayed for me. And I'm like, man, that was awesome. And it I think it just shows like internally we can struggle with a lot, but like you had mentioned earlier, when you surround yourself with someone who's there, can hold you accountable, can lift you up, like it makes a world of a difference.

SPEAKER_01 22:52

Well, and that's where I would like going back to the to winning and how my wife was, my wife was invested in it as much as I was. All she wanted me to do was win. So, like when it wasn't it, that's how I would have been. What did I do? What the heck? What are you but the fact that I thought I would you you're just so in it, and then when you look back, you're like, wow, it wasn't about that moment. There's so many little moments that happen, like like you just shared.

SPEAKER_00 23:21

Yeah, and then I think it's also important to talk about you we had talked about it earlier, mentioned it, just social media and the culture of motivation and or just you know putting

Social Media Motivation And Real Impact

SPEAKER_00 23:33

things out there. I think there's tons of people who put content out there for clicks that don't actually believe in what they're putting out there. And you know, one thing that's super important to me is like I don't post anything on social media that doesn't resonate with me. Like I've never been like, oh, I think if I say this, like I'll get a lot of likes. Like, I really don't I don't care about that. Um, if I post something, it's because it's something that resonated with me, and I it was meaningful, and I hope that maybe there's someone else out there who's feeling the same way that will find some inspiration or whatever from this, or to just to know that there's someone else feeling the same way I'm feeling. And um I think it's important to say, as when it comes to motivation, I think any high achiever would can relate to this. Is like most days internally, like I never I rarely feel like I've done enough to win the day. Rare, like rarely. Now, people on the outside may see me at the gym or see me at the store or see me these other places and be and think like, oh, you're doing awesome. And I I will always go back to, well, it's all relative. And you know, even to the point where I've posted things on social and I've had people reach out to me like, is everything okay? Or like, I don't understand the message you put out there. And my response back is always, well, that message just wasn't for you. And I think it's oftentimes I've even had family members reach out and say things like that, and and um I think if you're putting content out there for everyone, you're putting content out there for no one. And we live in a society where people will clickbait and throw stuff out there because it's popular or it's you know, whatever, just to get other people to like their stuff. Purely like the external yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:41

Most of mine is just this is kind of a little bit of what I did today. Slash how I'm feeling. I obviously talk. Um but yeah, there's never did I think I would have a following on social media. Um, was it cool? Yeah. Was there a moment or a time where I was like, ooh, I wonder if I could grow this, but as I actually tried, I didn't care. Um and that's part of that external. Like I I would it be cool to have 50 million followers on social media, yeah. But what would I do with that? What does that even mean? And it to me it means nothing. 50 million eyes, that's impact. Okay, so the meaning would be impact. Well, how would I impact? And I I that I don't know. Um, and for me, I think it's when I think about social media, I have been in it long enough to know that a lot of it is mainly for people to get clicks to buy something. I always tell my kids, you're if you're watching something, you've paid a price. It may be your time, it may be your wallet, it may be you've lost some brain cells, um, it may be that you gained something. My whole thing with them is always don't just be a consumer. You have to create, and that doesn't mean create content. That means you have to be creative, you have to be out outside in the world doing something. And if you need to find consuming to become creative, okay, cool, you can. Like, I I find inspiration. I'm I know there's a lot of people out there that will say, like, well, I I I need it to like unwind. I find it winds me up. Like, I if I'm scrolling, like I'm there's no other way to get your brain going. I'm not unwinding. No, uh, yeah. I will say that like I can be inspired, but you have to look for inspiration. And I think sometimes we don't actually look for it, but we hope we find it. And what's what the positive about an algorithm is you can change it whenever you want, and all you have to do is search for something that is beneficial. It's like I told my my uh oldest daughter, we were talking about phone stuff, and I said, This device right here has every single thing pretty much in the entire world available at your fingertips. So don't waste it on Snapchat and TikTok. And I and this is one of the things if you have kids, what I told her was you have two years till college. So here's a challenge I have for you. You can research every single opportunity you have for a scholarship, and you can find out when do you have to apply, how much is it, what do I have to do, and you can list out and create a spreadsheet of every single scholarship. I said, you could probably get 50 grand. No one applies for these. And I said, and that's something that you can do with AI that they could they could lay this all out and you can apply, but you have to then do that. I'm not gonna do that for you. So I think there's so many things that we don't think about that can help us. Social media can help and it can hurt, and I think it hurts more than it helps currently. Um, but that's a big thing for me is I I want people to see who I am, and they can create the story that they want outside of that. Because you're gonna do it anyways, yeah. You're gonna see my workout, and you're gonna hear me speak, and you know, you and you can agree to or disagree with what I have to say. Most of it's not very thought out, it's just on the go. Um I was with my dad and we were in Detroit for a couple baseball games, and we were just sitting in the room and I turned on my camera and I was like, this right here is blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I shut it off. And I was like, I just made a post. He's like, that was it. I was like, Yeah. I was like, it doesn't, it's not what people think. If it's if if it's if somebody says it takes you a long time to do something, they're doing it as a performance. They're performing for you, and they've got to get it right. Like, that's not to say I haven't performed, I have, um, but very seldom.

SPEAKER_00 30:05

Yeah. Yeah, and I think, like you said, social media, internet, it all can be used for motivation to get you started. But if that's where it ends, it's where it ends. And internally, like you have to find out your purpose and your why, and you know, what's the reason why you want the things you say you want, find the external motivation, get started. But when times get hard, if internally it's not there, it'll fade out. Yeah.

The Apology Text That Saves Trust

SPEAKER_01 30:39

I mean, and I think relationships, like when we're talking like internal. I mean, yesterday, um, I was my wife's been working her butt off, just just nonstop grinding, um, and doing a ton for a ton of different people. And again, nobody sees that, right? Each person is the most important person, and and she's awesome at being there for them. And she woke up early and we didn't go to the gym, was working on a bunch of stuff, and then she my daughter had to go to school, get there early because she had to be at someplace at 8:30 and it was getting late. And my daughter was like, Mom, you're not gonna make it to your thing on time, plus I'm gonna be late for school. And she was making food and she was doing all these other things. And I said, if you just wouldn't wait so long to like make your breakfast and like do that stuff, you wouldn't be late. And she kind of like looked at me and she was like, I put together an offer, I did this, I did this, I did that, and I was like, Oh, dang. As I'm like just sitting on the couch with my computer, my shirt off and like the shorts I woke up in. And she left and I shot her text, and I was just like, Hey, I'm super proud of you, and I love you so much. And I just want to say, I'm sorry for making it seem like you weren't doing enough in that moment, and that was on me. And she said, I love you, but what I will say is most people wouldn't have sent that text. And I'm not saying that as like a, oh wow, look what I did. I'm saying that like you probably have somebody in your life that you've thought you should reach out to because of maybe something that you did, but you don't because you want to save face or you don't want to be viewed like a like you're weak. And I'll tell you every single time that I've ever reached out like that, and I don't do it every time. That just happened to be yesterday. Every time I don't do it, I feel guilty. It sits with me. Um, and I normally pay for it. I pay for it somehow, whether it's with the guilt, whether it's with then I get a snap back, right? Something happens and I pay for it. And at this stage, like, and it's not easy to send those texts when you're just like essentially you're not even saying sorry, you're just like, I messed up and I recognize it, and I know that you're hurt, even as little as we make it out. Like that, that it could be it's big for people. So that's a that's an internal thing where you have to step out externally and show that. And I don't think that we do that enough with people, and I think that's where a lot of relationships get ruined, is because we internally recognize it, but we're too pig headed to step up and man up and just say what needs to be said. Pigheaded. You like that? I haven't heard that in a while. Well, I've I've been around longer than you.

SPEAKER_00 33:32

You also uh Nick also didn't give me any photo cred for the video I shot of him doing his workout yesterday.

SPEAKER_01 33:40

Oh, that was Braxton.

SPEAKER_00 33:43

It's all good. I'm horrible at giving video cred.

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SPEAKER_00 33:48

Um so yeah, I mean, hopefully this was this was helpful and it resonated, and you know, motivation can be a great thing, but again, if it's if it's external only, when pressure hits, it will always fade. That's all I got today. Love it.

SPEAKER_01 34:08

I love it. Hopefully this has inspired you to think about how you can take your next step wherever it is that you hope to go. Thanks for listening. Subscribe. Dang it, follow, follow, all that stuff. One day, one day we'll get good. We need Asa to come on and say subscribe and like follow. We can keep using him as the intro. We should, we should. We need to have everybody like give a little. We should have the kids all. Yeah, we need to have them all do like a little bit of a we'll do better. All right, we will do better, we will be better. There we go. Yeah. All right, thanks for listening. Have a great one.