Why The Process Matters More Than The Result

Why The Process Matters More Than The Result

Wanting the result is easy. Wanting the process is where everything gets real. We start with a blunt James Clear quote that cuts through excuses: if you don’t want to live the lifestyle, release yourself from the desire. From there, we connect the same principle to the stuff we’re all living right now: kids’ sports schedules, the way parenting time moves without a pause button, and how quickly “we’ll have time later” turns into years gone by.

We also get practical about boundaries, especially around screen time. One of us shares what it looks like to trust a teenager with freedom, watch it go sideways, and then reintroduce limits without shame, just clarity. That leads into the bigger point for adults: nobody is coming to shut the TV off, plan your meals, or force you to work out. If you want change, you have to build accountability on purpose, through your marriage, your friendships, or a coach who won’t sell you a fantasy.

Then we tackle the question we hear all the time: “What’s your secret?” The honest answer is years, consistency, and compound progress. We talk about why most people grind for 35 to 60 days and drift for 300, how to replace autopilot with intentional choices, and why comparison and “genetics” talk often become a cover for avoiding the work. The goal isn’t a perfect plan, it’s becoming the kind of man who follows through.

If you’re ready to get around better people and stay the course, we also share what we’re building with the Rising Tribes Network and how to join the waitlist. Subscribe, share this with a friend who needs it, and leave a review so more men can find the conversation.

Transcript

Want The Result Or The Process

SPEAKER_02 0:00

There's a James Clear quote that I keep on my phone and I look at it often. And it says, and it talks, it's exactly on what we're talking about right now. It says, it doesn't make sense to continue wanting something if you're not willing to do what it takes to get it. If you don't want to live the lifestyle, then release yourself from the desire. To crave the result, but not the process, is to guarantee disappointment.

Baseball Season And Family Rhythm

SPEAKER_00 0:43

Welcome to the Rising Tribes Podcast. I am Nick Yurankar with my partner in crime, Braxton Cave. Um I wanted to start by saying, I know you're in full swing baseball right now.

SPEAKER_02 0:54

We are. We are in full swing of baseball. Coat man, they had their last regular season game this week, and now the tournament starts Monday, but he also made the all-star team. So we have practice tonight, two games over the weekend. We'll play Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday the following week, and then we're we're in it, man.

SPEAKER_00 1:19

Yeah, excited through the whole month. So our uh sports schedule, soccer is over. Um, and it's like non-stop, and then it just stops. And now you're like, oh, I'm at the baseball field. I think your wife was like, I'm gonna be we're gonna be here for the next 14 years of our life.

SPEAKER_02 1:34

Well, it's interesting too, because when you know we've had horrible weather here, it's been the rainiest like end of spring, summer, and uh so a lot of games have been postponed because of the storms and stuff, and so we get we'll go on a run of multiple days in a row of having games makeup games, and and so yeah, man, we're in it. But it's Natalie and I had the conversation, you know, leading up to All Stars of you know, are we gonna are we gonna let Cope try out, knowing that it would go through, you know, all of June and through all of July, you know, and then basically summer's over and kids are going back to school. But it's we both just agreed, like, this is the season we're in. Like we want our kids to be able to enjoy the things that they're they're have passionate about, and Cope loves baseball. And at this age, it's really the only sport he can really do that he's interested in. He'd love to put a helmet on and play football. We're not there yet. Um, so like to me, it's this is my duty as a parent, right? It's like he loves it, let's do it. Give him every opportunity to play and grow his skills, and and um, so we're just hanging out at ballparks, man. It reminds me of, I mean, it's the same way my parents were when I was a kid. We lived at the ballpark.

SPEAKER_00 2:55

Yep. And it's it's crazy because where I'm at with our kids

Parenting Time Without A Pause

SPEAKER_00 3:00

is we're on the we're on like the back quarter. And Chelsea and I were just talking about it. 18 years is a very small piece of your life. It feels like when you're in it, like where you are right now, when you're in those, you know, four to ten, it feels like forever. I know. It feels like you're never, you never catch your breath. Things are changing so much, right? You're out of one season into another season, or when you're out of season or you're doing nothing, you're still doing something. And right now, we're like, wow, we see the end. And it really hits you when it's like, wow, not not only do we see the end, but like they're yeah, it's 18 years, then they're gonna go off and they are gonna do their life, and then they're gonna be sitting in our shoes and they're gonna think this is forever, and we're gonna be sitting there like we you know, when everybody says it goes by fast, I don't think it goes by fast. I just don't think you get a pause button or a rewind. It's constant play, it's constant forward, so that when you want it to stop, we miss so much because we're like anticipating the next change. Like, okay, when this season's over, we'll have the time. And then and but as a parent, what do you know? There's always the next thing.

SPEAKER_02 4:19

So we uh we talk about it often in terms of the days are long, but the weeks and the months fly by. Just absolutely fly by. And Natalie introduced me to this new setting on my phone to where my background changes every hour on the hour to like I I selected the kids to be it basically, it's like a photo of their face. So I selected the kids, and then every hour on the hour, my phone goes through all my pictures and picks random memories and pictures of and so you know, a like a picture popped up today of Copeland in his first year of baseball, and it's like, damn. I can't believe I can't believe that was you know three years ago. And you just I need to do that. It's awesome because there's so many like fun memories and pictures and things that are in there that unless you like travel back through your photos, you just don't even remember

Screens, Boundaries, And Real Play

SPEAKER_02 5:20

you have them. So this kind of just puts it in front of your face, which has been really cool.

SPEAKER_00 5:24

I don't know if you guys do this, but uh my kids love to just like grab the iPad or grab a phone and just sit down and scroll through old videos and especially now when we look back and we see them at like two and three, and they're 16 and almost 13.

SPEAKER_02 5:38

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, we are we our kids love doing that. Uh we are very adamant about keeping them off screens. Like our kids get their iPads um when we travel. Outside of that, like we just don't do a ton of screen time. We did take the kids to see the new Toy Story movie. Uh did have you see, did you see?

SPEAKER_00 6:02

No, I haven't seen, but you told me about it.

SPEAKER_02 6:04

I mean, uh the story of it is great, it's all about getting kids off of devices and getting them back playing again. So the story's great. There's some things in there that are a little sketch um that I didn't love, but as to be expected um in today's society and and in the Disney world, but um not overly horrible, but the message was fantastic.

SPEAKER_00 6:30

So well, I love the screen time for you right now. Our uh screen time, my youngest gets three hours a day. Uh however, there are hacks, I'm sure of it, where they can get on phone calls. I don't know if they can FaceTime, but they can get on calls. I'd rather be on a phone call talking with somebody. Absolutely.

A Teen’s Screen Time Reality Check

SPEAKER_00 6:50

Than so I there's that. My oldest, I don't think I shared this, but we've had a lot of stuff over the last like three months where it's um she's a great kid, like phenomenal. However, you even at that age, I always tell her, like, I can see your future by who you're with. And a lot of times at that age, it is easy to get pulled in different directions or feel like you have to do something or kind of fit in. Um and or you see things where eventually you're like, man, if they can get away with it, I can get away with it. Well, her screen time was she was struggling, and I basically said, Hey, you're 16 now. I'm gonna shut your screen time off and show me that you can manage this yourself. And of course, she did a horrible job. I think she was averaging like nine hours a day. She's like, But my friends average 14. I'm like, never say that again to me. I that is not even in our they're not in our house. I have I do not care. So she understands I don't care. But I also have not got mad at her. So the next I would check every like five days, like, hey, you're still going over. She's like, okay, I'm gonna think about it. Absolutely nothing, to the point where it started getting even worse. So I said to her, I'm like, hey, in two years, you're the one that's gonna be your own, you're gonna set your own boundaries. Like, I I don't get to do this forever. And then the next week again, horrible. And I said, Hey, if if this continues, I am going to put you on a limit, and there is no extra. There is no asking. There is no like that just shows me that you can't control yourself and that's it. So next week goes by, and what do you think happened? Horrible. So I said, Hey, you're getting a limit. And she was like, Okay. And I sat back down. 30 minutes later, she walks over to me and she was like, Hey dad, so okay, I've got like this thing. She starts trying to like talk to me, but what I didn't tell her was what the limit was. So her old limit was like four hours. And I said, I'm gonna give you six, but I'm giving you six because that's plenty of time to do whatever you want. And she was like, Oh, if I get six, then I'm good. And only one time in about three weeks, which is three weeks to a month, she's asked for more time.

SPEAKER_02 9:13

I think the the story in that to me is like Jay's a great kid. Like, I would look at her and say that she she is someone I would want my kid to hang out with, right? But it's she's human. And like all

Adults Still Want A Babysitter

SPEAKER_02 9:30

of us, as long as that temptation's still there, man, it's really hard.

SPEAKER_00 9:35

And I think it's a I I think, yeah, and that's a great segue into like us, like as people, and like kind of there were some people I wanted to talk about, some interactions that I've had personally, but like even with her, it's a lot of times we want someone to tell us a secret, right? Like you've had people ask you, like, what's your secret? Right? And then so have I. Like, what's the secret? And really it's saying, Hey, do this thing. And what you'll find out is you can tell somebody, you look at a 16-year-old girl, and it's like, hey, here's what I want you to do. It's gonna help you. And they're like, Yeah, I see it. A week later, there's they're still living that. Yeah, you need somebody to basically put a boundary on you. Yeah, but as we get older, I think we expect an adult to come over like we're 12 and say, Hey, shut the TV off, go do that workout you said you're gonna do. Hey, sh you're not eating this. Here's your dinner, eat what's on your plate. That's all that you get. Go outside, I'm locking the door, you're gonna go play. Like, hey, get around these people, they're gonna be good friends. You're not allowed to have that friend over anymore. And as adults, we're like, we want that, but we also don't.

SPEAKER_02 10:43

And but it's built, you can build it right with the people around you. I mean, you know, who you marry matters a ton, right? You know, the things that I do because I know I have the accountability of my wife is different than if I didn't have her, if

The Real Secret Is Years

SPEAKER_02 11:00

I was a single guy, right? God knows. All of us. Um but yeah, it's just so interesting. You know, the comments, the I was explaining to you guys before we started recording today. You know, I have people reach out. You know, I always post our Saturday morning rise and run photo post photo, and people always comment on me having abs now because no one no one's ever been used to 300-pound bracks and having abs. And you know, that often the the question is, what's the secret? What's your secret? And I actually came home the other day and I got one of these comments, and I I actually read it to Natalie, and she laughed and she goes, Years. That's the secret. And and that's exactly it. And and I don't fault people for asking that because I was that guy at one time. Like, there's gotta be the magic pill, the silver bullet, the quick way to do this, and there's not. And finally, you know, after stewing in that long enough, I just did the work over and over and over again and got frustrated and I failed and I'd fall backwards, and then I'd get back on and get back on, and finally, after so much time, it's it's just the compound interest.

SPEAKER_00 12:22

And you weren't around 300-pound unhealthy guys telling them, like, hey, I'm gonna go get abs. You weren't in those rooms. No, like, or at least if you were, you got out of them to where you were finding inspiration or you were finding those people that were gonna encourage you and push you. And I think that's where when you see a guy that really wants it, they go outside their circle. Or they create a new circle.

SPEAKER_02 12:48

Well, I think what's what the other piece too is like just the way society is like every time you try to better yourself, people are gonna make, oh, like you're a kiss ass, or like, why are you

Build A Better Circle On Purpose

SPEAKER_02 13:00

you're always trying to like be around these people, and it's like, yeah, like we all want to be better. Like, so what who else would I want to be around than someone who's achieving where I want to go? And and but if you have if you're surrounded by those people, they're always gonna try. It's we've talked about before the crabs in the bucket pulling you back in, pulling you back. You don't want that, you don't really want that. Um, I was just having this conversation not too long ago with someone. This house came for sale on the market, and we were talking about it, and the comment someone made to me was like, that's that that's not your style. Like, you would you don't want that. That's not your style. And I'm like, you don't know what I want. Like, you knew who I'm gonna tell you who you are. Yeah, you knew who I was growing, how I grew up and you know, my whatever, but you don't know what I want. Like, don't sit here and tell me that. So those are the kind of things that now that I've separated myself from that, um, those kind of comments, like one, they like very quickly stand out to me. Whereas before I'd probably just brush them off and let it go. Like it would eat at me, um, but I wouldn't say anything. Now now immediately it's like, no, like you don't get to choose who I want to be or what I want to achieve or what my dreams and goals are. So we should probably get into our uh Well, I think so.

SPEAKER_00 14:29

I mean, this all plays into a well, yeah, because one of the things I would that kind of playing off of like the Jade and what you were talking about is that we're all trying to find again, most of us will call it the secret. Like, what is the secret for me? And if you're anybody's good at any one thing, they'll tell you there isn't a secret, it is time. However, people will tell you everything, there's always this secret. But what I'm starting to see more and more, and I asked I have a benefit compared to you, you're from this area, and I'm not. So I'm kind of an anomaly in the sense of like, I came in here, I became this CrossFit guy, the super fit. Like, so like I'm looked at as like, oh, that's that crazy guy that does all these things, and like he's super fit. Like, you you like I'm put on this pedestal in fitness. Um, so nobody's gonna be like, oh, you can't do that. They're gonna be like, if anybody can do it, it's gonna be you. That's so I I love that. I don't have to worry about somebody

When Someone Asks You For Help

SPEAKER_00 15:30

being like, oh, that's not your style. And I now and have had uh a couple interactions where people will walk up to me or contact me and just be like, I had a guy at the gym, I was just working out, and he just walked up to me and he just started like gave like this energy of like my life is gonna change, everything is gonna be different. And he was like, I'm gonna get an accountability group, I'm gonna change the next six months. I'm gonna disappear and I'm gonna come back unreal. I'm gonna be there. And he's just going on. I don't know who this guy is. And I'm literally in the middle of like a workout. And I look over at my wife because I saw this guy talking to my wife, and she's looking over at me, kind of like, I don't know what is happening, I'm sorry. And he's just going on and on. And I said, That sounds awesome. Why are you talking to me? And he said, I've seen you, and if there's anybody that can help me, it's you. And I was like, Wow, okay. And he goes, Can I buy you lunch? And I was like, Yeah, cool. Like, here's my email, email me. Like, I want to make sure, like, hey, you reach out to me after this to tell me you're serious. And he did, and we ended up getting lunch, but my wife, when he walked away, walked over to me and she was like, I told him not to walk up to you because you were working out, and he walked right up to you. And I ended up, I've been working with this guy now for like five months. Turns out he had a lot of stuff going on, and I think that a lot of times as guys, we can manage hard things, but there comes a point where we almost throw in the flag and we go, okay, there isn't an easy button, and this is really hard. And somehow I was looked at as like the guy that can help. Now, I don't know why me, but what I want, what I love is that that's how I'm looked at. Like I don't have to say anything, I don't have to do anything. But this guy said, I've seen you. If there's anybody that can help me, it's you. And that's when I want, when guys are like, hey, I want to be better, it's not about the easy button. It's about being that person. It's about being the person that somebody else looks at and goes, that's what I want to be friends with. Not because you can out drink them, not because you're a jerk, not because, but because like you're setting an example. And I think for us as men, we need to be more of an example so that we surround. I don't want guys that need help to be constantly grabbing me. I want guys like you who reaching out to you, and it's like, hey, I see you. I feel like I could be better being around you, and then I hope that I can make you better. And not only that, I just got another email from a guy who said, his wife falls my wife. She basically told her husband, contact me. Don't really know why me, what she saw. And he was like, I need help. I'm way overweight, struggling, don't know what to do. He's like, I've lost weight multiple times, like close to 100

Autopilot Vs Intentional Choices

SPEAKER_00 18:40

pounds multiple times, and I've put it all back on and then some, and I'm back to like my heaviest I've ever been. And what I always say, and this is for anybody who's done that, because a lot of people have lost a significant amount of weight and put it back on and done it multiple times. My whole thing I always say to somebody is we only want to be the biggest loser once, right? Like you've lost a hundred pounds once, you don't want to be a two-time biggest loser. And I ain't never going back. Yeah. So I think a lot of times we look, and what I said to him, because he's like, I just feel like sometimes I fail or I mess up, and like and I know I'm human and I'm going to do that, but I want to not have this happen again where I just go back off. And what I've said to him, and what I want to encourage people listening, is I think we live in a world, and this is like my I've talked about the uh homeostasis. We live in a world we have 365 days a year. Most people try really hard for 35 to 60 of them, and then they go on autopilot for 300 to 330. So what ends up happening is you go on autopilot for 300 days, you feel bad. You say, I'm going on this 30-day thing. Maybe you do 21 of them, you feel kind of okay. Maybe you go two months. You do 75 hard. Yep. And you're on autopilot though for 300 of them, and you're getting bad habits and you're slowly sliding. What I said to him was, hey, you're gonna have 35 bad days. Guaranteed. Maybe 60. But we do, but you should not be on autopilot for 300. You uh so my biggest thing I told him for the first week, and what he didn't like is he was like, I want you to give me the exact plan so that I can lose all this weight and I can be where I want to be. And I said, Here's what I want you to do for the next week, be intentional with every single choice you make. Every single thing that you end up making a negative choice on that you just do up habitually, any moment that happens during your day where you feel like you're not actually being very intentional with your choice, write it down. Think about it. When are you struggling with food? When are you struggling with your working out? When are you struggling with the relationships with people? Like what days you come home and you don't feel good with your family? What every single day, be intentional with your choices. I said, if you do that for 300 days, you're gonna change your habits on how you approach everything. And he was like, But I really just want the plan. And I go, so how are the last five years with your plan? You didn't have one, you weren't intentional. So to say that you don't want to do it for a week is where I get mad because people will go decades doing nothing. And then the day they make a decision that they're gonna start, they get mad that you don't give them everything. And I'm like, but in three years, in three years, if you do 25% better than what you've been doing, not this hundred, but twenty five percent better, how much better are you gonna be? Significantly. All right, cool. What if we just go and we stack? We go 25% now, and then we go to 30 in a month, and then we go to 35, and eventually you find that sweet spot of you're 80% way better than you were, but it's you're doing it intentional. You're doing it by your choices. He even on the call today. Or when I was I'm we met today, he said to me, um kind of what you were talking about. We're talking about body types. And he said, Well, you have the body type that you could probably get to 160 pounds easy. I have big bones though. Genetics, he said, genetics is it plays a big role.

Comparison, Genetics, And Excuses

SPEAKER_00 22:22

And I said, Well, I said, I don't really, like basically, I don't really care about any of that stuff. Because it's not, you're I'm not. We have this problem with comparing. And I've been talking about this more recently because every we compare in a way where we say, Oh yeah, well, you're just that like that. Braxton, you have abs and that because of genetics. Which is basically saying I discount you to make me feel better. Not, hey, Braxton, dude, your genetics must be awesome. You have abs. But I'm not gonna, I'm not going to judge myself based off of you. But what I'm gonna say is this one day I want to be more like you. So hey, can you give me like one or two things that you do that has helped you? I think we use comparison as a way to make ourselves feel bad or try to put somebody else down. When the truth is we should be looking at it and saying, Do I want that? And if I do, like that is a that is a direction I can go. I want to be around more people like that. I want to, I want to challenge myself to be like that so I can be more like that. Just like we want to be more like Jesus. Like, are we all that like we can always find somebody that we can be inspired, not compare. So I look and I say to him, okay, if you don't want to do these things, then you don't want to be that person. So stop it. But we don't shut up about, oh, I'm gonna be like I was when I was 18. I'm just not gonna do anything to get there. I'm like.

Skin In The Game Or Ghosting

SPEAKER_02 24:00

So there's a there's a James Clear quote that I keep on my phone and I look at it often. And it says, and it talks, it's exactly on what we're talking about right now. It says, it doesn't make sense to continue wanting something if you're not willing to do what it takes to get it. If you don't want to live the lifestyle, then release yourself from the desire to crave the result, but not the process, is to guarantee disappointment. And I can't tell you how many people I come across where it's like the the idea of making change, being a better father, a better husband, being in better shape, it sounds really cool, sounds awesome until you're asked to put some skin in the game. And then it's like you get ghosted. And so, I mean, you're the same way I get asked all the time online for help. And and it's exactly that, like people just want the the answer. And it's to me, it's if if it was that easy, you'd plug it into Chat GPT and just follow it. You don't need me. If if if you're if you're far enough along in your discipline and your mindset and your routine, you don't need me.

SPEAKER_00 25:18

But that's where you're lacking. Well, and what's crazy is now this guy the we talked this weekend, Monday was day one, so we're Friday, and he obviously went through and I didn't give him what he wanted. And we were on the phone yesterday, and he was like, I'm so glad. He's like, I've never had anybody like this. He's like, and I'm so glad that you are the way that you are, and that this is going how it's going, and I feel like I made the right choice to work with you because he's like, I would have never done it this way, and you are literally trying to help me create a life. And before I would take away everything in my life and hate it, and he's like, You're trying to give me life. Because my thing is to your point with what you were just talking about, we if you don't, if you're not willing to do the things, then release the outcome that you expect. Whereas to me, I'm like, I can show you where you're gonna go, I can show you right where you are. The easiest way to tell somebody where they are is to look at where they've come from. Okay, here's where you are. I can connect the dots backwards and tell you how we got there. I can't tell you where you're going, but I can say if you continue down this path, I have a pretty good idea. But if we make those changes, what ends up happening is we change the trajectory of our life. And it it isn't fast. But it feels fast, just like we say. The days feel long, right? Day one, you're like, this is the longest day in the world, right? But then three months, and you're like, wow, big changes happened. What the heck? And it's continuing that, and it's finding out who do I want to be in this process? If you can find out more about who you want to be rather than what is the next secret that I don't actually want to do, it's no, what is the closest thing to better that you will do?

SPEAKER_02 27:22

And you just keep working your way up. Right. I love the the quote and the idea of it's it's not about the end result, it's about who you become along the way. And, you know, I'll read you guys just to to cap off kind of that coaching conversation. You know, I I had a guy recently reach out to me, talked about, you know, he had sent me a couple of messages, and it was just kind of, you know, fluff talk, basically. And then a couple of days later, he finally sent me why he was messaging me. And it was like, I'm overweight, I'm not happy, I can't do this, I can't do that. And, you know, after he says all these things, you know, I asked him a couple of questions of like, you know, what's your routine look like? What do you do you track your macros? Um basically then he basically came back with all the excuses of why he can't do any of these things. And so my response back was look, outside of my normal job, I have a coaching business. And I'm more than willing to work with you, but I don't work with anyone unless you have skin in the game because it's too easy to quit. And that's where that's where we're at today in today's society as men. It's if you know, if you're not to that point where you can hold yourself accountable, you have to have someone else to do it, but it's not it's not gonna be the easy way. And we've been wired because of social media and all these different things, that we are always looking for the easy way. But easy never gets what you want. No, at least not long term.

SPEAKER_00 29:05

No, and and the problem is it's every day. You have to do the thing that you currently don't want to do today. So if you don't want to do it, if you haven't wanted to do it for five years, today's not gonna be an easy day to do it. Like it, like we always talk, like life and all this stuff is very simple, and it's easy in the sense of like, well, all you gotta do is go on a run or work out or eat well. But that's those are hard choices for people to have to switch. It's not hard to do, they're very easy, but it's right, but what you were doing you liked. So why would you change? And it's not easy to just make these changes. However, having people that are like encouraging you and on your side of where you want to go, I don't think we have enough of that. Because a lot of times the people that you want to encourage you are right where you are and they don't want you to leave. Why do I want you to get better if I'm staying here? And how many times do you, and if you're in a group of friends who maybe you've grown up since high school or college, and you know, you're still joking around and not really taking certain things serious that you wish you could, how many of them, if you went to them, were like, hey, this is what I'm gonna do, do it with me? A couple of them would, maybe all of them. The question is, as they fall off, because they will, will you stay? And staying in the course sometimes is the hardest because it becomes lonely the farther up you get.

SPEAKER_01 30:37

Yeah.

Rising Tribes Network And Next Steps

SPEAKER_02 30:40

We um we're we're continuing to come along with uh the new rising tribes platform. We launched the uh wait list last week, so we got that going. Um it's we've had some good conversation with people who are interested in it. We've already had some people sign up for it. So, you know, we're we're doing the buildup and creating this content so people get a better idea of what that's all about. Everything we talked about today is what this the Rising Tribes Network is all about. Yeah. And it's just being around more guys that are helping lift each other up.

SPEAKER_01 31:18

Yep. Yeah, that's what it's all about.

SPEAKER_00 31:21

So anything else you want to add? Well, the should be in the show notes at the bottom. You can click on it if you want to join the wait list. Obviously, subscribe, share this. Um, we'd love to hear if there's anything that hit you that we talk about um or anything that we should add in or feature on the podcast. I mean, any question is always a good question. So, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:47

Yeah, I think the next steps, I think something cool would be to let let people in on some of the guys that are part of our you know, our network, um, so they can get to hear their stories, how we all became friends, um, and what that looks like. I think it'd be instead of just hearing you and I um go back and forth and and hearing Jake's tick, you can hear it from some some other people that are living life with us, and uh how being part of a group of of men on the journey together has impacted their

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SPEAKER_02 32:20

life.

SPEAKER_00 32:20

Yes, we need to get some people on. Awesome. Well, thank you for listening.

SPEAKER_01 32:26

I got nothing else. This is the rising tribes. Yeah. See ya.